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. so it does raise the question, this has been a miserable failure so what do we do? maybe just de-criminalize marijuana or some other stuff so we can use those resources, as you say, to educate people. kids going after drugs, it's been going on for decades. they're using stronger drugs, getting more damaged. what about kids who are using pills from their parents' prescription cabinets? that's an equally large epidemic. we're not spending enough time getting at the root of the problem, the breakdown of the family, the breakdown of society. all these things out there. >> something that you're missing, what is it? it would free up the police to use these resources to go after violent crime. the amount of money we're putting into it. >> they're spending a lot of time arresting people for petty drugs and also filling up prison space. >> eleanor. >> one of the reasons you're finding drugs in suburbs is because it it's harder to get oxycontin, and twhrafs other one? we were talking about. the prescription drugs. >> vicodin. >> it's even hard to get -- >> what's wrong with vicodin? >> it'
from doing so. >> why have we failed so miserably in terms of government's role? >> because there's an extraordinary stigma that's attached to admitting you have a problem. that's whether it's alcohol or drug abuse or whether it's other types of mental illness. there's still such a stigma attached to it, to getting treatment. whether that treatment be conversational, therapy or whether it be prescription medications or a combination of both. that i think even where we offer services as governor, we do offer and pay for a lot of mental health services as a state government, as a federal government. lots of people won't access it because they feel stigmatized by it. part of this national discussion has to be that mental illness is no different than having cancer or having any other disease. no one would ever think i don't want anybody to know i have cancer so i'm not going to go to the doctor. yet, with mental illness, we treat people differently. that's what we immediate to get over as a society. >> now, one of the country's leading experts on public policy and mental health is the
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